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Panda Racing No.2

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Here's my previous project:

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Panda Racing No.1

A year after selling it, and owning 5 cars in the interim I decided another MX5 would be a suitable replacement car to get me to the train station and back. Last week I therefore found myself schlepping around the M25 to Essex in the rain to look at a sorry looking 1.8 incorrectly advertised as a V-Spec that I hoped was actually an S-Special.

I collected it and after inflating the tyres (the rears were on 11 and 13psi) I set off home. It doesn't have the 112mph limiter my 1.6 had. It runs out of legs at 122mph though (speedo and TomTom in agreement at that part of the dial). It's woefully underpowered and it feels quite baggy compared to my last one. Remind me, what is it I like about these cars again?
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I'd say the 1.8 engine isn't as sweet as the 1.6. Where the 1.6 enjoys being wrung out, the 1.8 prefers to make progress on the slightly higher torque it produces and you gain nothing from screwing the last 500rpm out of it. I'm hoping the more manly 1.8 drivetrain will last better on track than my 1.6 did though as that ate clutches, brakes etc. for fun.

My journey home averaged 29 MPG. Pretty appalling for a small car of this nature, especially when my M3 would have made circa 33 for the same journey.

Anyway, Sunday I had time to give it a quick going over and evaluate what needs to be done to it. I nearly always forget to take photos of what cars are like when I get them so tend to only have the 'after' pics. So here it is on the drive in the state it arrived:

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Paint is very tired, car has ingrained dirt and hasn't been cleaned properly in years. It will look a million times better just having some TLC and a proper clean, sorting out the number plate bracket that's fitted upside down and a few areas of the plastic front and rear bumpers that have crazed paint will get re-painted. Good points are that it appears to have no rust on the bodywork (which is why I bought it) and the hood is new and watertight.

Wheels belong to the previous owner so they'll be going back to him. Will be good to lose the oversized budget 205/50/15 tyres that are blunting the car's responses.

Popping the bonnet revealed years of dirt and grime.

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The whole car seems to have been neglected so its no surprise to see a filthy engine bay. Washer fluid was empty, oil was on minimum and coolant was below minimum. At least it's mainly standard without lots of shiny tat or an awful induction kit or anything. Only areas of note are a broken dipstick handle (the history for the car shows this as an advisory on its first MOT in the country) and a broken clip for the bonnet stay, meaning over time the bonnet stay has been sat on the radiator top-hose, making a small but noticeable indentation in it. I'll get a new clip and replace the hose.

Poking around it in the daylight it's in quite a strange state. It's almost as if it has just arrived at the docks. It's got all the Japanese licencing info in the windscreen still, there are random JDM stickers here and there and the interior is filthy, and unbelievably still has Japanese parking tickets and other odds and ends in it.

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Here's the important sticker saying it's an S-Spec:

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...and the inside of the boot lid holds clues to a potential previous life as a trackday/club racer/road warrior:

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Anyway, as it started raining I pulled it inside to give the inside a clean and sort out:

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Sticking my head in the footwell to hoover it out I found this:

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An original JDM flare.

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I can't decide whether to set it off for a bit of fun or to sell it. Are these rare and would there be a market for it?

Mazdaspeed gearknob fitted. Not to my taste but possibly worth a few quid to someone? Will be in the For Sale section soon.

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The Nardi Torino that's fitted I do like. I'm tempted to keep it 'in stock', but may well sell that on too?:

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This is the funniest thing in the entire car:

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A 'carbon' ashtray.
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Apparently it's the one Takuma Sato had fitted to his F1 car so he could have a crafty bifta during qualifying. Will be going in the For Sale section too.

A bit of CSI digging about while cleaning the inside gave further clues to what the boot stickers had hinted at. One of the stickers was the Safety21 logo. Digging about I found the rear deck fuel tank cover had been tin-snipped and beneath them, covered up very well with metallic tape was the evidence of where the rear stays of a rollbar had been mounted.

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Then looking under the floor, holes where the main hoop had mounted were visible, but there were none where the front legs would go on a 6-point cage. Therefore, I'd assume in Japan it had a Safety21 4 point rollbar.

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Anyway, I gave the interior a thorough clean, removed all the unnecessary stickers. Pulled the Nardi off and replaced it with my Momo. I also climbed underneath and had a look at the suspension. The rear Mazdaspeed coilovers were backed off to their softest setting and that was that. It's now much more pleasant inside and with the back a few clicks softer it drives better too.

So far I've bought some proper chairs for it and some scaffolding to protect my head in case it falls over. Today I'm going to buy some coilovers and some wheels. It'll then need a front lip, an alignment, some brakes, harnesses, a hard-top, some paint and a thorough stripping / lighten-ing. Hopefully will get it on track by November. Will be doing it as a rolling project though, commuting sideways in it everyday and seeing what it's like to live with as a daily drive.
 
#135 ·
Hmmmmm nah... Don't paint it! It looks proper this way
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Can you get some shots of the inside of the hardtop? I'm looking for one of these but was curious as to how the inside actually looks!
 
#140 ·
Cheers. I keep removing things and thinking that they aren't actually too heavy. Lots of parts do seem well considered and fairly light. I think it's only in removing lots of parts that aren't particularly heavy that I'll get a noticeable reduction in weight though.

Will probably leave the heater and side windows until/ unless I can work out a solution for them that won't compromise functionality too much.
 
#145 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ha exactly.

I did think about fixed poly windows, but think they'd bow out alarmingly at speed due to the frameless design.

Current thinking is a variation of this:

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..taken from this thread: http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=44470&page=5

If you haven't already done so it's worth a read.

Essentially stock windows for normal use but easily 'lift-outable' for track use. Obvious downside is you'd either have to drive with them up or decide to remove them before setting off. With a car that you still use on the road it's all about where you compromise I guess.

Also on that thread Scho you can see the door bar removed that's mentioned in your thread.
 
#147 ·
Also on that thread Scho you can see the door bar removed that's mentioned in your thread.
Huh, I've never seen that before!!!

From wiki:

"For the 1994 model year, the first-generation MX-5 was freshened with the introduction of the more powerful 1.8 L (110 cu in) BP-ZE engine, dual airbags and a limited slip differential in some markets. The chassis was substantially braced to meet new side-impact standards, most visibly by adding a "track bar" between the seatbelt towers inside the car, but also to the front and rear subframes"

Could the fact that mine is a '90 explain the missing side impact bars?

Love that window design. Sure you couldn't work something out with plastic? The glass is pretty heavy!
 
#148 ·
It's absolutely that yours is a '90, it pre-dates those side-impact bars. I often miss my earlier 1.6 - it was definitley a much more lively car out of the box than my later 1.8.

The thing with the windows is you can just lift them out. Mising completely is lighter than plastic
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Interestingly, the chap has now added a duct in his 1/4 to aid airflow into the cabin as he can obviously no longer wind the windows down:

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Seems a sensible solution.
 
#153 · (Edited by Moderator)
Thanks chaps.
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On Thursday I had another fiddle with the ride heights. I did lots of measuring, adjusting, quick drive, more measuring, more adjusting etc. I finally got it so the balance is how I wanted it though. I've also set the cornerheights so that the right rear is slightly higher but sits level when I'm in the driver's seat. A poor effort compared to proper corner-weighting but it's better than nothing and feels better for it. Overall rideheight is now probably 15mm lower front and 10mm lower at the rear than it was before I started.

I also took my dash out.

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I then cut the dash down so that it just consists of the top cover and the internal air trunking. Leaving the heater etc in I managed to remove another 7.3kg. Still loads more to go and I haven't started trimming the wiring loom yet - there's loads that can come out of that. Unfortunately I forgot to get a pic of the chopped dash back in.
 
#154 · (Edited by Moderator)
Excuse the pics today - I didn't have a camera with me so they're off the iPhone.

Here's the chopped dash back in. Lots of tidying still do to but I wanted it usable again.

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Today I had a drive out to the local VOSA weighbridge. (Handcross on the A23 if anyone local is interested).

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Weights were:

540kg - front
430kg - rear

970kg - total

Heavier than I'd hoped, but at least I have a marker to work against. I still hope I can get under 900kg - but based on that and ensuring it stays a usable road car it's going to mean I have to be ruthless with my stripping.
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I think it also highlights how much more 1.8s weigh compared to 1.6s. It also shows just how heavy a standard fully loaded one must be...

Things to bare in mind:

All the glass is still fitted
AC still fitted
PAS still fitted
Harddog bar is fairly substantial. I reckon a good T45 whole cage would be lighter
Harnesses and original belts still fitted.

No roof fitted for weigh in.

I'll weigh it each time I remove major bits from now on.

Also thought I'd get a quick snap of the new ride-height.

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#159 · (Edited by Moderator)
Thanks Will, that's interesting. I've weighed the parts I've removed and have them at 48.1kg. I was on 1/3rd of a tank of fuel today which probably accounts for the extra loss quite accurately.

Also as you say - as long as I return to the same scales I should have a comparable constant. The scales do only return a resolution of 10kg though so there's room for deviation there.
 
#161 ·
Over Christmas I took out another 8kg of random trim, including the commencement of removing the aircon system. I've removed the under-dash evaporator and replaced it with the non-A/C corrugated duct pipe. In addition to losing a bit of weight, the demister blower is now much more effective. Wins all around.

I'm now looking at every part with a critical eye, and have taken to removing anything not essential - or looking at how it can be improved (within budget constraints).

I sold the TH Monos as they were just way too heavy and made the car feel horrible to drive. I've agreed to buy the wheels I wanted from another forum member as soon as they become available (he's breaking his car and hasn't removed them yet). Will probably sell my Slipstreams too and use some of the 7j x 15" BBS RZs that I have as a road / wet set as the offset's more useful.

I've also been amassing a fair sized pile of parts to fit - will try to pull my finger out and get some time to work on the car to get it into a usable state for track. Have booked a Euro trip with some friends for April and have booked a track day at Spa and the 'Ring for while we're out there and want to get a few UK dates in prior to that to iron out any potential issues.

Jobs to do:
Fit 'Jass' lightweight hardtop fitting kit.
Install Tunerstudio on my laptop.
Fit wideband Lambda and set up.
Fit IAT sensor and remove MAF - remove factory induction/airbox and fabricate lightweight intake in front bumper.
Fit decat pipe.
Fit new exhaust.
Remove aircon.
Remove PAS and fit modified PAS rack that's been converted to manual.
Fit perspex 1/4 windows.
Gut doors / remove EW and fabricate window brackets.
Decide which front towhook is going back on, or fabricate a new lighter one.
In conjunction with the above fit / fabricate a new front plate mount that's easily removable for track.
Lighten rear bumper mount and cut parachute off bottom of bumper-skin.
Lighten front bumper mount.
Cut out any remaining brackets and non-essential metal work from the car that I haven't already.
Tidy dash area - fabricate switch panel

Stuff to buy and fit:
Better harnesses
Vindi bootskin - GRP or carbon dependant on time scale / cost.
New clutch - need to research my options. Current one slips on track or even after a few clutch kicks on a roundabout.
Maybe some ARBs - will be running wider stickier tyres and may need them?
New track rods and ends to fit when new rack goes on.
WIM for alignment when above is finished.
GOPro to capture some footage as I'm jealous of Scho's super clear videos.
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I'd also really, really like to go forced induction. I contacted Rins about the coldside MP62 with water injection that he had for sale but had reservations and missed it when he ended up selling it to someone else. I'd like a hassle-free big pile of power though and am even considering a turbo at the moment (despite my usual hate for the things). Ideal would be a sorted MP62 kit, but I think I maybe need to get a ride in a sorted supercharger and turbo set up. Main concern is adding the power but not adding too much weight. I'd love to stay NA and keep the crisp throttle response, but I think even with very deep pockets I'd be disappointed with the result. I allegedly currently have 158bhp from the ported and skimmed Mk2 RS head with BP5A cams, 4-2-1 and the megasquirt but it feels very, very flat to me. Jenvey throttle bodies may lose weight and get me over 170bhp? But I think I'd still be disappointed, and would really need a high-compression proper build to get any more and that could easily eat vast sums of money. Nearer to 260bhp with FI, more weight reduction for circa 300bhp/tonne would make it fairly potent I imagine.
 
#162 ·
You're welcome to come take a ride in my turbo mk2 if you'd like mate, it is only 180bhp supposedly but it is very linear. I'll be selling a full jrsc kit soon from a 1.8 mk2 I'm breaking, if that's of any interest.
I personally much prefer turbos as they're easier to understand and when setup right, have no discernable lag.
 
#164 ·
The hks kit is designed for 0.4bar stock, which equates to approx 184bhp (according to hks pr crap). It feels ample to be honest, any more and it would be lairy in the bends.
Realistically, the turbo would take 1bar all day long (being a t25g), which with new management and injectors would probably see 250bhp+, as it does on S-bodies and other Nissan variants of the same engine capacity.

It does definitely give you a lot more in the way of torque than you could achieve with n/a, if you're ever in the area then give me a shout and you can see for yourself.