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ok so im in the market for either a mark 1 or early mark 2 eunos
coming out of a westie S8 and previous 7s and swmbo has decreed it will be an mx5 rather than an elan m100 se -so it appears it will indeed be the former
i prefer the old school look of the mark 1 [more like my old elan S4 FHC]and am told more involving
but then again the mk2 has abs ,air bags and im told a wee bit stiffer
am after a mark 1 1.8 special like V,S ,R edition which has been unmolested and one which has the torsen lsd and leather seats
im also umming and arrhing about a VR spec mk2 -as it would be more user friendly
does anyone out there know what the power output of the VS edition -ie is it the same as the std mark 2 1.8 spec engine
is there really much difference in the driving experience of the mark 2 v mark 1
will only be for fast road use -or slow road sue when swmbo driving
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GOF.....just so you know - you're opening a right old tin of worms with this thread


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Cue Harry Hill's TV Burp........"You know, I quite like the Mk1, but I also like the Mk2 - but which is best? - there's only one way to find out - FIGHT"
 

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Info on power output for the VS is a bit ambiguous I'm afraid, it's not too clear whether the VS is mechanical the same as the RS which (supposedly) is a bit more powerful than the stock 5 speed cars. RS certainly feels significantly quicker, but this could be as much down to the 3.9:1 diff and 6spd box as the extra power. Again nor sure if the VS shares the same diff ratio May well be 3.6 in line with other speed models.

As you say the MK1 is more visceral (not compared to 7s though) were as the MK2 is much more civilised.

All 1.8 JDM cars should have torsen diffs (no UK car ever did). All mk2 "S"s (UK inclusive), rule of thumb if it has ABS it has a torsen (though RS was available with torsen, but without ABS (like mine)).
 

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When i was growing up my dad used to say that all proper sports cars have pop up lights..... MK1 FTW


My take on teh mk1/mk2 thing is that you can make them both go like stink, and they are both pretty similar, most of the differences, like the stiffness, can be changed with a few easy parts. (although i'm not sure about airbags into a mk1.

Mk2 dashes have gone into mk1s, I guess mk1 dashes could be pursuaded into a mk2.... so really the only thing left is which do you prefer the look of, and whats your budget.

I've always bought cars the wrong way... like going to look at puppies, when you've gone to see them, one of them really catches your eye and pulls your heartstrings, and thats the one you gotta have, regardless of the logic
 

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Thanks for that advice -hmm getting more confused about this
Am only going to use this as a summer toy not a daily runner
Re the puppy analogy -that's so true -explains how i ended up with 3 border collies and a TVR wedge [which cleaned out my wallet -still hurts to think about it ]
Problem up here in Scotingland is lack of choice and dont really have time to travel to Englandshire with my job [im old but not yet retired ]
Anyone have 1st hand experience of Dandycars -seem to have some real nice well prepared examples -but as one might expect a lot dearer than private
Given that I live in Scotlingland ,i wouldnt be getting the full benefit of their alleged superb aftersales -so prob not worth extra bucks
Spoke to Steve at Goodwood cars who seems to be a genuine MX5 nut and his cars are more reasonable but prob not as well prepared as Dandy from what i can gather
If i were going private [which i have usually done in the past for my 7s] then ideally id like to find some uber MX5 anorak who has been there and got the T shirt -rather than some random who bought their car but knows nowt about the marque
In no great hurry [its going to snow again here next week -deep sigh] -
Finding a new car is a bit like chasing the ideal girlfriend -most of the fun is in the chase dreaming what it will be like -after that its usally an anticlimax IMHO -SWMBO excepted of course
 

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oops forgot to ask ......
Does anyone out there have experience of how the 1 mark specials like S and R run on the Bilstiens -ie the pros and cons of the handling v ride comfort
Does anyone have any experience of whether its really worth persuing an example with the Torsen LSD -ive always had one on my 7s as it allows you to nicely balance the car on the throttle
Also is there is a noticible difference in the performance of mark 1 1,6 v 1,8 brakes [latter im told are bigger ]

AND finally -anyone out there have exprience of driveability of either the HKS turbo or supercharged flavours -do they make much difference for fast road use -dont intend doing any track
 

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Stirlingshire here.
I can guarantee you I will beat you in the grumpy stakes.


Basically, it goes thus.

1)There is no such thing as a bad 5 in good nick. There is one to cater for everyone. Choice is subjective, sometimes partisan.

2) Drive a few, get to know them..you have to live with it, not the seller.
3) Mk1's are old and will require a bit of TLC now and then, a good Mk2/2.5 is basically still plug n play.
4) Mk2/2.5's are hugely better cars in most respects, but lack the "MG I could never afford" cache.
5) You drive a MK2/2.5, but you drive & "wear" a Mk1. It moulds around your senses.
6)How do I arrive at all this wisdom? Cos I've got a Mk2.5 Sport (incredible) and a '94 Mk1.(As before + "soul")

I'm in Falkirk and will be happy to pax you in each.
 

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oops forgot to ask ......
Does anyone out there have experience of how the 1 mark specials like S and R run on the Bilstiens -ie the pros and cons of the handling v ride comfort
Does anyone have any experience of whether its really worth persuing an example with the Torsen LSD -ive always had one on my 7s as it allows you to nicely balance the car on the throttle
Also is there is a noticible difference in the performance of mark 1 1,6 v 1,8 brakes [latter im told are bigger ]

AND finally -anyone out there have exprience of driveability of either the HKS turbo or supercharged flavours -do they make much difference for fast road use -dont intend doing any track
If you're used to 7's then you should fit right into a Mk1 5 no problems, for an older car they are still reasonably refined (My Mk1 Eunos came with aircon, electric windows, viscous diff etc), although the Mk2 just builds on that refinement and comfort.

I've never tried the Bilsteins, but from what I understand they can be quite harsh for road use.

The question about the Torsen diff and bigger brakes is linked to your question about turbo/supercharger really, if you were to go for a car with forced induction then if it hasn't already got the Torsen diff & bigger brakes they should be high on your list of items to buy for the car.
In my experience (190Bhp turbo 5)it is well worth fitting some form of forced induction, be that an aftermarket kit, one of the Mini Supercharger's which can be found cheaply and easily adapted to fit a Mk1, or my own preference (having bought a stock 5 and then fitted an aftermarket Turbo kit)... find a 5 which has had a turbo/supercharger fitted by a previous owner, it should save you a lot of work and work out cheaper than buying a 5 and then fitting an aftermarket kit. Also keep an eye out for the BBR Turbo 5's which basically had a factory fitted turbo kit when they went on sale in the UK.
Although the sound of a naturally aspirated 5 is very addictive, the extra power from the turbo/charger will make you grin like a little kid
I never grow tired of it


If I were in the market to buy a 5 I'd go for: Mk1 1.8 Eunos
 

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Mk1 more of a raw car. I had an S-Spec and the ride was harsh on the billies but I had lowering springs so probably a little more harsh than standard handled like it was on rails. Supercharged it myself and had no problems past the odd vacuum leak or temperamental idle problem. All easily sorted. Loved it, but it was 17 years old and beginning to become more than I could spend time on to keep her in the condition I wanted (my career has changed). So I sold her to somone who could put the time in before she became a problem.

My Mk2 is TC'd and IC'd and keeps all of the handling of the Mk1 but is more refined. I love my Mk2 just as much as my Mk1. It's just newer and as has been said still very plug and play.

Drive them both in all states. You will find them all similar with their own quirks. Badly setup suspension can feel awful and ruin the ride and handling on one but good on another can make all the difference You will find one that feels right for you.

You are welcome to a passenger ride in mine if you are ever down my way.
 

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oops forgot to ask ......
(1) Does anyone out there have experience of how the 1 mark specials like S and R run on the Bilstiens -ie the pros and cons of the handling v ride comfort
(2) Does anyone have any experience of whether its really worth persuing an example with the Torsen LSD -ive always had one on my 7s as it allows you to nicely balance the car on the throttle
(3) Also is there is a noticible difference in the performance of mark 1 1,6 v 1,8 brakes [latter im told are bigger ]
(4) AND finally -anyone out there have exprience of driveability of either the HKS turbo or supercharged flavours -do they make much difference for fast road use -dont intend doing any track
(1) You can't have your cake & eat it......handling or comfort, take your pick


(2) All JDM 1.8's are fitted with Torsen LSD as standard, however I have a JDM Mk1 1.6 with viscous LSD & it spins up both wheels & drifts well.

(3) 1.8 brakes are larger dia due to the extra weight of the vehicle (blame the yanks for that one).

(4) About to install a JR M45 SC to give the car that edge it is begging for & so justly deserves.
 

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Hi,

Having just migrated from my 200BHP trackday orientated Caterham 7 to a nice 1.6 MK1 MX5 I can safetly say it will not be as quick, but the MX5 is not about speed it is about the hadling Mine is quite firm as it was cusco coilovers all round. The handling really is great.

Mines also has an LSD but unlike the Caterham which really needs one I would not see this as an essential item.

I would not be too hung up on getting a rare R spec one as people seem to be prepared to pay a lot of money for the rarity value, just depends what floats your boat.

Based on comments I expected the brakes to be poor but actually I think they are not bad as all.

P.S. it is a much nice place to be when it start raining


Tony
 

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I'm gonig to be a woman about this, but i chose my car on looks. I don't 'do' pop up lights, and love the sleek lines of the mk2.

I didn't know mine was an RS until a week or so after purchase when i read it on a door sticker! I was a right numpty.

Mk2 wins on looks for me every time
 

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Best advice is to get out and drive at least one example of each model and see which one you and yer missus prefers. Then, for a quiet life, buy the one she likes best, because they are all cracking motors anyway!


I had a Mk1 Eunos years ago which had Bilsteins, it was uber-low and a rock hard ride, but is by far the best handling car I have ever driven
My current UK Mk2 is on standard suspension and still handles brilliantly, but is much more refined and comfortable for every day use. I also prefer the overall look of the Mk2, and the interior is a lot more modern. Not necessarily better, just more up to date.

Good luck in your search anyway
 

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cheers -much to ponder -my S8 leaves tomorrow and im feeling sad in anticipation -bit like a girlfriend -seems more attractive once shes gone and then you think about her all the time eh -is that the same analgoy with girls [sarah]
But wavey i think you hit the nail when you said go for the one which SWMBO likes in terms of least aggro option and browies [she has hated every single one of my 7s but adored my Z3M which i didnt like ] -and there it will be the mark 2 for sure for SWMBO due to refinement -sonow i need to find a colour which goes with blonde hair [not dyed BTW] -any suggestions there from the girls on the forum for the ideal colour for grumpyoldwoman .
As for it being a girlie car -i actually [eek] quite like that as it means numpties wont ever want to wind me up ,cut me up try to race me [especially bikes ] which always seemed to happen in the 7 /westie -and i like to think being a modern grumpy ,im quite in touch with my effete side -but obviously 2 bokes in a 5 is not so cool [sorry if thats not PC thing to say ]
As you say i need to sit in a few and se what floats .
 

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Actually re quick silver when i rang Dandy re their JDM mark 1s 1.8 ,they dont actually have the LSD as it def wasnt std fit -was only an option -except for R and RS [so they told me ]
But i gueess for road use its kind of irrelevant
 

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But wavey i think you hit the nail when you said go for the one which SWMBO likes in terms of least aggro option
Seriously mate, if you get a good 'un they are all bloody brilliant whichever model you go for


As for colour choice... Ooo, that can open up another can of worms!
But personally, I'd avoid the dark blue like mine purely because it's such a pain to keep clean
. Same with black I guess. Looks awesome when washed, but shows every little mark, which is annoying. Red & silver always seem to look nice, and the least popular seems to be Racing Bronze (Ginger!) although some people love 'em (see, can of worms open already, and you haven't even started on 1.6 vs. 1.8.....
). I'm not a fan of BRG either, or the tan/wood interiors, but that is purely subjective.
 
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