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#1 ·
After spending time on the internet and talking to a number of people at Autosport this weekend, it seems there is 3 Championship. (MK1.

1- MAX5. Barc,mc. Mk1 & Mk3. Same race (New Tyre or Federal for 2014)2 day double headers
2 - MAZDA MX-5. Brscc,mc. Mk1 only possibly 2-3 grids (Hancock Tyres ?) 2 day double/trip headers
3- 5CLUB RACEING. 750. Mk1 only (Hancock or Khumo. Drivers choice ?) 1 day double headers

Therefore as a new comer and other possible new drivers. What do we do. We're do we go !

Look forward to see who comes put on top.
I understand there has been some problems in the past, however it seems all 3 are running with good clubs so I can't see a problem, therefore please advise us new drivers based on the championship on offer today !!
 
#2 ·
I can only comment on MaX5 since that's what I race in, but as a newbie to racing I was made extremely welcome right from the start and both the racing and banter have been brilliant throughout.

The support from where to be and what to do on race weekends through to car prep and driving hints is always there if you need it, yet on track it's very competitive and fair.

We'd love to have you on the grid so if you'd like to know anything specific about MaX5 please shout up :)
 
#4 ·
It should be a simple decision, if you have an ounce of competitiveness about you. BRSCC MX5 Championship :thumb-up: .

5Club Racing is a dead duck, its NOT a championship (its a series). Its the remnants of the disgraced MA5DA management attempting to continue racing.

Max5 has its place, but in my opinion (please don't flame me) its biased more for MX5 enthusiasts rather than out & out racers.

We race in the BRSCC championship, where we run a six car team. We choose to race with them, because its very well organised, great paddock atmosphere and we race against the very best.

PS. you will get a lot of MAX5 support on here, as the vast majority of the racers are very active on here.
 
#5 ·
Interesting

5Club dead as a duck ?
Max. Enthusiast ?
Brscc. You race

Don't they race in the other 2, ( does it mean there is more contact in brscc!)

However I must try to look at things. Ie track time per/ÂŁ. Only got the confirmed prices from 5Club at the moment the others have not got the true confirmed prices yet.

Thanks again
 
#7 ·
And now the max5 version.....

Do you want to spend money developing your car? Are you prepared for damage? If so brscc

If you want to race your car, take it home and bring it out next month with little out lay ÂŁÂŁÂŁ, have a laugh and enjoy your weekend
Then max5 is the place to go!!

Yes we have had damage....... That's motor racing, but one thing we do that the brscc doesn't is limit the track numbers to reduce the risk.

We are ALL about saving money and enjoyment.......after all none of us get paid to do it!!!

Feel free to call me should you want any questions answered
Paul

Ps as fraz said 5club is a none starter IMO
 
#8 ·
Thanks Rodders & track toys

Never thought about CSCC. I heard lady year or 2012 they was running a new class but ,never seen or heard a lot about it.
I ran out of time to talk to them at the show

Yes money can be problem fir most of us, and yes raceing things can happen , however if that risk can be reduced surely it got to be good for both Wallet and Safety.

Hope I haven't opened up a can of worms here, but for most other cars there is generally 1 championship, apart from other options like CSCC/Northern Sports Car for. example

5club ! Seems strange 750MC have got invold if it's no good , or is it good
 
#9 · (Edited by Moderator)
And now the max5 version.....

Do you want to spend money developing your car? Are you prepared for damage? If so brscc

If you want to race your car, take it home and bring it out next month with little out lay ÂŁÂŁÂŁ, have a laugh and enjoy your weekend
Then max5 is the place to go!!

Yes we have had damage....... That's motor racing, but one thing we do that the brscc doesn't is limit the track numbers to reduce the risk.

We are ALL about saving money and enjoyment.......after all none of us get paid to do it!!!

Ps as fraz said 5club is a none starter IMO
Sorry Paul but that is just bollocks, and its about time that opinion was dropped. In fact I think MAX5 had more damaged cars this year. Racing with the BRSCC is no more likely to result in damage than racing with MAX5.

You don't need to spend ÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁ's on car prep to be competitive in BRSCC, you just need to be able to drive.

Our lead driver, Alan Henderson has had the same car for the past 5 years and in all that time its had 1x Wing replaced and 1x Small quarter panel repair!!

We do agree on one thing 5Club is waste of time (and possibly your money)
 
#11 ·
Well I was trying to watch 'Fast 5' but its shit so.......

Firstly, this section of the forum is practically Max5s forum so lots will recommend it, ask this question on pistonheads (like I did) and everyone would recommend BRSCC.

And now the max5 version.....
Do you want to spend money developing your car? Are you prepared for damage? If so brscc
If you want to race your car, take it home and bring it out next month with little out lay ÂŁÂŁÂŁ, have a laugh and enjoy your weekend
Then max5 is the place to go!!
Yes we have had damage....... That's motor racing, but one thing we do that the brscc doesn't is limit the track numbers to reduce the risk.
We are ALL about saving money and enjoyment.......after all none of us get paid to do it!!!
Feel free to call me should you want any questions answered
Paul
Ps as fraz said 5club is a none starter IMO
I disagree Re: damage in brscc, yes a little bit of un-intentional contact which that is expected when racing but when you look at how many Max5 cars were wrote off at Silverstone through poor driving (crash on a straight!) you can't say Brscc is worse. Also, I disagree Re: spending money on developing the car, buy right in the first place and it will be right up there, mine for example is built to the same spec as Alan Henderson's car and the only reason it not at the front is down to the driver.... Me, I'll get Alan in my car time it and prove my theory.

Op,

When I first started in BRSCC everyone was helpful gave plenty of advice and I was welcomed into the championship in 2013, the racing close even at the back (where I am lol) a free practice before qualifying is a great incentive along with the split grids to separate the faster drivers from the slower ones. The races being held over two days means a good laugh in the paddock Saturday night with the odd BBQ and karaoke. I really enjoy it and look forward to a full season in 2014 it would be good to see you on the grid too.

Cheers,
Jake
 
#12 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ok I agree we did have a monumental accident at silverstone, but that was a freak accident. Maybe the race shouldn't have been allowed to run!!!

Re spending money
How many cars in brscc run blink engines? ( this is not a dig at blink ) and how many in max5

Fact
An ex ma5da car and driver joined us in 2013 he's mentality is to change diffs to suite the circuit...... How many max5 drivers have a spare diff?

Fact
An ex ma5da/brscc car was stripped and found to be illegal.

Fact
Adam's engine (the muppet ran low on oil) was a ÂŁ95 replacement

As I said we can't agree on this!!!
 
#13 · (Edited by Moderator)
It should be a simple decision, if you have an ounce of competitiveness about you. BRSCC MX5 Championship :thumb-up: .
5Club Racing is a dead duck, its NOT a championship (its a series). Its the remnants of the disgraced MA5DA management attempting to continue racing.

Max5 has its place, but in my opinion (please don't flame me) its biased more for MX5 enthusiasts rather than out & out racers.

We race in the BRSCC championship, where we run a six car team. We choose to race with them, because its very well organised, great paddock atmosphere and we race against the very best.

PS. you will get a lot of MAX5 support on here, as the vast majority of the racers are very active on here.
This is pretty much what I would have posted and spot on IMO

Which ever you choose won't be wrong, they are all good and all are about as cheap as competitive racing gets
 
#14 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ok I agree we did have a monumental accident at silverstone, but that was a freak accident. Maybe the race shouldn't have been allowed to run!!!
Re spending money
How many cars in brscc run blink engines? ( this is not a dig at blink ) and how many in max5
Fact
An ex ma5da car and driver joined us in 2013 he's mentality is to change diffs to suite the circuit...... How many max5 drivers have a spare diff?
Fact
An ex ma5da/brscc car was stripped and found to be illegal.
Fact
Adam's engine (the muppet ran low on oil) was a ÂŁ95 replacement
As I said we can't agree on this!!!
In perspective a mx5 diff is a few ÂŁ from a scrap yard, a drexler fir my m3 is 3.5k. - as racing goes nothing is cheaper than a mx5

There are cheats in every race series there ever was, always someone prepared to cheat to win and I doubt max5 is any different to the others - none of these series are so well policed that cheating is impossible due to budget

The differences in costs between the series are really quite small but I agree max5 is probably the cheapest and I guess least likely to get damage in but that's reflected in the competivness and level of driver needed to win

All these series are great though and all have their place and loyal competitors
 
#15 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ok I agree we did have a monumental accident at silverstone, but that was a freak accident. Maybe the race shouldn't have been allowed to run!!! - We had very similar conditions at Silverstone one week later. ZERO Major incidents.

Re spending money
How many cars in brscc run blink engines? ( this is not a dig at blink ) and how many in max5 - Only half of the top 10 run Blink Motors, they tend to be bought by the lower ranks as they mistakenly think that is what they need to win. (No disrespect to Blink, their engines are awesome)

Fact
An ex ma5da car and driver joined us in 2013 he's mentality is to change diffs to suite the circuit...... How many max5 drivers have a spare diff? - Don't understand this? Surely there should be one ratio diff allowed, that way only driver talent has a bearing on the result. I know the BRSCC only allow the original 4.3 diff to be fitted (I assumed MAX5 was the same), and this year they can't be "overhauled". And considering a spare VLSD can be had for ÂŁ75, why not carry a spare?

Fact
An ex ma5da/brscc car was stripped and found to be illegal. - Yes an old Paul Sheard car? Which he hadn't raced for a few years. He doesn't race or run any cars in BRSCC MK1 Championship now.

Fact
Adam's engine (the muppet ran low on oil) was a ÂŁ95 replacement - Well done, very cheap for a complete engine. I guess he's not running a skimmed head?. PS Alan's race winning engine, is a 100k bottom end (untouched) and a skimmed head with 3-angle seats, nothing else. It produced 101hp at the hubs on Blinks dyno! You don't need power to win!

As I said we can't agree on this!!! - No it would appear not.
As this is descending into an argument, I'll leave it at that.

To the OP, either MAX5 or BRSCC is a good place to race.
 
#16 · (Edited by Moderator)
We are probably lucky enough to have raced in both of the main series; MaX5 & BRSCC Mazda and both are excellent.

We left MaX5 to go to the Ma5da Championship (reluctantly) due to dwindling grid sizes in MaX5 several years ago, since that time Ma5da collapsed for reasons I wont mention here but 5Club is basically a re-incarnation of Ma5da.

Since we left MaX5 it has had an injection of enthusiasm from it's current organisers (Jon Halliwell & Paul Roddison) and I think it is fair to say it is in very safe hands and is growing. I know people that race in it still and have been to watch some rounds and it offers very good racing.

The BRSCC Mazda championship is also well run and in safe hands at the present time.

We would personally choose either MaX5 or the BRSCC - both are excellent and I can guarantee you will enjoy racing in either series. Your deposit won't disappear like it did for those that registered for Ma5da this time last year and you will get good track time in either series.

There is room for two dedicated MX5 series in our opinion but our ultimate objective would be to have all MK1 MX5's & Mk3 MX5's racing in one place at one time - will it ever happen; Lets hope so!

Like Paul & Frazbomb we are available for advice & will give an unbiased answer to what we think may be the best place for you to race, as we feel both series do offer slightly different things and what suits one person may not suit another; the choice should be tailored to what you are looking for out of your racing in our opinion.

HTH

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#17 · (Edited by Moderator)
Re spending money
How many cars in brscc run blink engines? ( this is not a dig at blink ) and how many in max5 - Less then half of the top 10 run Blink Motors, they tend to be bought by the lower ranks as they mistakenly think that is what they need to win. (No disrespect to Blink, there engines are awesome)

As I said we can't agree on this!!! - No we can't!
Ahem,

just to correct you on that fact Fraz, at silverstone (last meeting of 2013 BRSCC Championship) BLiNK Engines powered the following positions in qualifying:

1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th,7th & 10th.

.............and six of the top ten drivers in the final Championship Standings were using our engines:

1st, 2nd , 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th :yes:

(I'll get me coat!)

(P.S. and a seriously 'poorly' one did quite well in MaX5 which goes to show seat time & skill still rule in both series in our opinion)
 
#18 ·
There is room for two dedicated MX5 series in our opinion but our ultimate objective would be to have all MK1 MX5's & Mk3 MX5's racing in one place at one time - will it ever happen; Lets hope so!
Only today I was in a conversation laying the foundations for a six hr team/endurance race where all mx5's be it max5/brscc/super cup
Cars will be eligible to enter......

Hopefully this will take place later in the year.
 
#21 ·
Ahem,

just to correct you on that fact Fraz, at silverstone BLiNK Engines powered the following positions in qualifying:

1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th,7th & 10th.

.............and six of the top ten drivers were using our engines:

1st, 2nd , 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th :yes:

(I'll get me coat!)
Soooorrry :hug: your engines are very good, no doubting it.

But my statement is true for the final standings. My point being you don't have to spend ÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁ's on an engine to be competitive.
 
#22 · (Edited by Moderator)
There is room for two dedicated MX5 series in our opinion but our ultimate objective would be to have all MK1 MX5's & Mk3 MX5's racing in one place at one time - will it ever happen; Lets hope so!
Only today I was in a conversation laying the foundations for a six hr team/endurance race where all mx5's be it max5/brscc/super cup
Cars will be eligible to enter......

Hopefully this will take place later in the year.
Is there not enough modded, turbo'd MX5's out there now to consider a series/championship which allows more extreme mx5's to race together? Don't know whether there would be enough interest, but it would be mega cool.

PS, the team would defo be up for an Endurance race.
 
#23 ·
I dont think there are enough extreme cars sadly...

I did try to get BRSCC to allow a "progression" class, with a bigger list of mods, but still restrictive, else you end up with people with 12k's worth of turbo engines entering ;)
 
#24 ·
There is room for two dedicated MX5 series in our opinion but our ultimate objective would be to have all MK1 MX5's & Mk3 MX5's racing in one place at one time - will it ever happen; Lets hope so!
Only today I was in a conversation laying the foundations for a six hr team/endurance race where all mx5's be it max5/brscc/super cup
Cars will be eligible to enter......
Hopefully this will take place later in the year.
Is there not enough modded, turbo'd MX5's out there now to consider a series/championship which allows more extreme mx5's to race together? Don't know whether there would be enough interest, but it would be mega cool.

PS, the team would defo be up for an Endurance race.
Their will be more powerful mx-5s in the Nippon series this year.

+1 for the endurance!
 
#25 ·
Frazbomb I'm not saying you do.......

What I'm saying is drivers in the brscc Choose to buy them,or many do...... 70% of the top 10.
where as max5 choose not to buy them.

So as a new comer they feel to be competitive they need to spend money to compete.

Re my diff quote
Many in max5 don't carry the spanners to change a diff let alone have the skill or space in the back of a car to carry one. That's not a dig at max5 drivers, ÂŁ75 for a diff is fuel for a weekends racing to some.
 
#26 ·
There is room for two dedicated MX5 series in our opinion but our ultimate objective would be to have all MK1 MX5's & Mk3 MX5's racing in one place at one time - will it ever happen; Lets hope so!
Only today I was in a conversation laying the foundations for a six hr team/endurance race where all mx5's be it max5/brscc/super cup
Cars will be eligible to enter......

Hopefully this will take place later in the year.
One thing to say to this - :thumb-up: