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#1 RusticMazda

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Posted 15 September 2020 - 10:36 AM

Hello all, 

 

My 1999 NB is currently sat on a set of Toyo T1r's. One of my front tyres is fairly worn on the outer edge which suggests that my tracking is fairly far out, and the tyre needs replacing. 

 

Couple of questions:

 

I've been perfectly happy with the T1r's, but they appear to have been discontinued. I dislike having non-matching tyres, but my rear tyres have plenty of life left and I'm reluctant to chuck them. Are the Toyo TR1's their direct successor? They look like they have different tread as a minimum. 

 

Secondly, what are my best options for getting the tracking sorted properly. Is it something any reasonable garage can get done properly, or is it a more involved specialist job? I seem to recall reading somewhere that the geometry is difficult to get right on MX5's but I might have imagined that. 

 

Any pointers appreciated! 

 

 


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Posted 15 September 2020 - 11:41 AM

Wear on the outer edge implies low tyre pressures, the tyres are rolling over as you turn, although you might also need a little more camber for your driving. Do you live where there are lots of roundabouts? and is one side worse than the other?

 

TR1s have a very bad rep. Rainsports are pretty good and might be worth considering?

 

Matching tyres across an axle is more important than front/rear really so I wouldnt worry too much. It's only critical if you are driving at the limit and need all wheels to be as predictable and consistent as possible.

 

Tracking is easy to sort and nearly any garage with basic alignment tools can do it, it's easy enough that I do mine with string. As I mentioned, you likely need a touch more camber though which will need a shop able to do this adjustment, shouldnt be to hard to find one, and mx5s are easy to do, again I do my own.


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Posted 15 September 2020 - 03:08 PM

Okay thank you - it's definitely more worn on one side than the other, and check tyre pressures fairly regularly so I suspect tracking is the cause. 

I've never found myself wishing I had grippier tyres, so not necessarily set on having the 'best' in outright performance, but something that offers a good balance of budget and performance. 


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Posted 15 September 2020 - 03:46 PM

You say that but once you've had semi slicks it's hard to want anything else, lol. They are not wet or cold weather friendly though!

 

Rainsports are a good all round tyre that suit wet weather driving very well. I mostly only use performance tyres so am not very familiar with what other everyday tyres are available or good value, someone else will comment shortly.

 

At a guess I'd say it's likely the outer edge of the passenger tyre that is most worn. Typically this is due to roundabouts, I have the same issue, I live in Milton Keynes where roundabouts are everywhere. I'd check tyre pressures are ok, have your tracking checked and maybe decrease the front camber by half a degree (if it's at -1, move it to -1.5, it'll stop the edge of the tyre rolling over so much and even out the wear pattern). Shouldn't cost very much.


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mazdaspeed seat belt pads, charcoal canister delete, large Mazdaspeed side skirts, adapted NA short shifter, 60mm alloy radiator, 3" brake ducts, upper strut brace with MC brace, 3.9 type 2 torsen, 80A diff bushes, front tow hook, rear tow hook
 
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Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:21 AM

Yes you're quite right, it is the passenger tyre, and now I think of it a lot of my driving does involve roundabouts at night when there isn't much traffic about! I'll certainly put rainsports on the shortlist. 


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Posted 16 September 2020 - 07:52 PM

T1R's are excellent in the dry. They are just crap in the wet.
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Posted 16 September 2020 - 09:24 PM

T1R's are excellent in the dry. They are just crap in the wet.


I found them average in the dry, terrible in the wet.

On a track session they were OK for 2 laps, good for 1 lap, and then awful for the rest, understeer was terrible!

On the road they were only fun because they slid everywhere.
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Posted 16 September 2020 - 10:17 PM

 

T1R's are excellent in the dry. They are just crap in the wet.


I found them average in the dry, terrible in the wet.

On a track session they were OK for 2 laps, good for 1 lap, and then awful for the rest, understeer was terrible!

On the road they were only fun because they slid everywhere.

 

different  driving styles, setup, tyre pressures etc. all give different feedback :confused: 

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 05:53 AM

T1R's are excellent in the dry. They are just crap in the wet.

I found them average in the dry, terrible in the wet.

On a track session they were OK for 2 laps, good for 1 lap, and then awful for the rest, understeer was terrible!

On the road they were only fun because they slid everywhere.
different driving styles, setup, tyre pressures etc. all give different feedback :confused:

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Anything more than a bimble and they are awful,

The guy who fitted my tyres has been racing mx5s for quite a few years.

He did a video comparing the T1R's and some kumhos I think it was that he had lying around just to disprove the theory at the time that T1R's are the best you can get, and the kumhos came out on top in every test.
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Posted 17 September 2020 - 06:23 AM

T1Rs tried to kill me on my way to work...5.30 am. Damp turn in 30zone. Bumbling along half asleep at 30mph. Back just slid out for no reason atall.

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 07:50 AM

+1 for Kumhos, ran them for several years on my previous daily driver, cracking tyres.
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Posted 17 September 2020 - 08:51 AM

T1Rs tried to kill me on my way to work...5.30 am. Damp turn in 30zone. Bumbling along half asleep at 30mph. Back just slid out for no reason atall.

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Yep. I ran semi slicks over winter and while not exactly what i'd call ideal they were more predictable and safer than T1Rs IMO, even in snow.


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mazdaspeed seat belt pads, charcoal canister delete, large Mazdaspeed side skirts, adapted NA short shifter, 60mm alloy radiator, 3" brake ducts, upper strut brace with MC brace, 3.9 type 2 torsen, 80A diff bushes, front tow hook, rear tow hook
 
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Posted 17 September 2020 - 09:12 AM

Put me other side of road.inches from park cars . Summit coming other way...curtains headon.

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 08:14 PM

I wasn't talking about tracking the car, I was just using them on the road. As a summer road tyre the Toyo's are fine. They just try to kill you in the wet.
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Posted 17 September 2020 - 09:00 PM

I wasn't talking about tracking the car, I was just using them on the road. As a summer road tyre the Toyo's are fine. They just try to kill you in the wet.


Not a good British summer tyre then! Maybe in Spain, but even then get them too hot and they might as well be made of plastic,

Anyway I'm in Michelin pilot sport 3s now, they seem very good in the dry and are meant to be equally as good in the wet, look forward to trying them in the rain.
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Posted 17 September 2020 - 10:37 PM

 

I wasn't talking about tracking the car, I was just using them on the road. As a summer road tyre the Toyo's are fine. They just try to kill you in the wet.


Not a good British summer tyre then! Maybe in Spain, but even then get them too hot and they might as well be made of plastic,

Anyway I'm in Michelin pilot sport 3s now, they seem very good in the dry and are meant to be equally as good in the wet, look forward to trying them in the rain.

 

 

I agree, too much heat and they just melt anyway, they wouldnt really hold up to more than a lap or two with someone who's pushing the car.

 

The nankang NS2Rs are what I'd call a good british summer tyre- can displace water if caught in the wet, aren't limited by a finite number of heat cycles before they start to drop off like something like r888s are, and grip really well once you get some heat in them. Something like an r888 or AR-1 is what I'd call a track tyre.


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UKDM 2001 mk2.5 - Current mods- SMD interior light, SMD number plate lights, Corbeau Sprint (yes it fits!), modified mk2.5 door card, Skidnation seat brackets, Corba 1046 remote central locking unit, Driftworks basics 350mm leather steering wheel, NRG short hub, NRG 2.5 quick release hub, 8" weighted gear knob, factory electric wing mirrors, factory electric aerial, Kage 4" exhaust with additional powerflow silencer, foam fire extinguisher, custom fire extinguisher mounting bracket, painted cam cover, painted oil filer cap, 15" Advan SA3Rs, Nankang NS-2R 180tw, offset plate bracket, RGB footwell lighting, sun strip, painted calipers and carriers, painted headlight inserts, softtop delete, brake fluid reservoir sock, GCR3 roll bar in custom gloss black, Corbeau Ultima Pro 2006SSU 6 point harness, push button bumper quick release pins, twin port oil catch can, engine bay respray, fully POR15 rust proofed chassis, full chassis seam seal, custom permanent hardtop side mounts, Jass permanent hardtop front mounts, M-tuned large rear rotor spacers with corresponding 276mm SVT brake discs, Freakyparts larger front rotor spacers with corresponding 11" Corado G60 front rotors, HEL braided brake lines, Byba Kits GV style front lip, SVT under chassis bracing, painted radiator brackets, 
mazdaspeed seat belt pads, charcoal canister delete, large Mazdaspeed side skirts, adapted NA short shifter, 60mm alloy radiator, 3" brake ducts, upper strut brace with MC brace, 3.9 type 2 torsen, 80A diff bushes, front tow hook, rear tow hook
 
2004 Celica T Sport - Current mods- Meister Zeta Pro coilovers, Forged Wilwood dynalite front calipers, Yellow stuff brake pads up front, Drimpled and slotted discs, Braided brake lines, TRD stubby aerial, Short shift kit, 17" alloys powdercoated in metallic granite, TRD centre caps, Invidia exhaust, Cusco brake master cylinder brace, SMD side light bulbs, butterfly valve delete, Aux to CD converter, 8" gear knob, sun strip, interior SMD bulb, remote damper adjusters

 
Sold- UKDM 1992 1.6 Mk1 SE - Current mods- Yokohama A048 semi slicks, 15" Lorber 7JJ deep dish alloys, Tein street springs on OEM dampers, IL Motorsport catback exhaust, IL Motorsport decat, K&N greenstuff filter, OMP 330mm racing wheel, TR Lane half cage, TR Lane harness bar, Elise bucket seats, Sparco 4 point harness, Ebay special JDMyo! gear knob, GV lip, Vindii ducktail
 
 


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Posted 18 September 2020 - 07:04 AM

I wasn't talking about tracking the car, I was just using them on the road. As a summer road tyre the Toyo's are fine. They just try to kill you in the wet.

Not a good British summer tyre then! Maybe in Spain, but even then get them too hot and they might as well be made of plastic,

Anyway I'm in Michelin pilot sport 3s now, they seem very good in the dry and are meant to be equally as good in the wet, look forward to trying them in the rain.

I agree, too much heat and they just melt anyway, they wouldnt really hold up to more than a lap or two with someone who's pushing the car.

The nankang NS2Rs are what I'd call a good british summer tyre- can displace water if caught in the wet, aren't limited by a finite number of heat cycles before they start to drop off like something like r888s are, and grip really well once you get some heat in them. Something like an r888 or AR-1 is what I'd call a track tyre.

But they are limited on the heat cycles compared to a road tyre still, I have found that the hard way.

I’m getting wheel spin on my 120 compound NS2R tyres now, they are 4 years old and only half scrubbed. I have 400bhp so traction is a big deal for me to enjoy it.

I changed the wheels to those off my mini to test the difference. I had Michelin PS4 tyres on there, same width as well.

It was night and day, wheel spin gone in second, instant grip from cold, better braking.
I’ve come to the conclusion now I will never use a semi slick again on the road. They just aren’t worth it in the long run. I could never get enough heat int the front quickly to stop the car under steering as well.

To the OP. If you can get a set of 16 inch wheels, grab yourself some PS4 or continental premium contact 6. There is far more options in the 16 inch range.

Don’t worry to much about maintaining the correct aspect ratio, if the speedo is out by a few MPH you can adjust your speed to compensate at the critical limits.

I would say if you really like the T1R then you haven’t driven on enough good tyres. They really are quite shit compared to modern tech tyres ;) please don’t take offence to that, 12 years ago I thought they were great too - untill I ended up in a ditch over winter with them!

Have a read on here, Benson is a legend with tyres, the reviews and test are informative.
Again Nick at MOT motorsport is also helpful. But he doesn’t really stock many road tyres due the nature of his business.

One final thing, please change all 4. Don’t mismatch, yes is probably fine. But to have mixed grip levels front to back will take some of the enjoyment out of the car. Also if your old tyres are old then they will have even less grip on them now due to deteriorating.
(check the date of manufacture codes (1315) the first two state the week of manufacturer, the second two are the year.
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