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#1 twistyroads

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 12:34 PM

Hello hello,

 

I have been looking at buying a weekend fun car for some country road blasts, day out with the misses when the little one is at grandparents and maybe at one point try a track day. I was initially going to go for a 986 Boxster, but I have spoken to a lot of people who had/have them and the regular 4 figure service costs just put me off, at this point in my life with responsible commitments.

 

This put me onto the MX5s specifically the NC/NC2 2.0, I always liked them but wanted the 986 for the glorious sound. What I m trying to decide is how the car transforms with the 180 -200bhp kits.

 

Can anyone compare it to my last car, the Clio 182 Trophy? That was a blast, 182bhp (or thereabouts) in a lightweight car, am I wrong in assuming the NC with the 185 package would be just as quick and the 200 kit with cams be faster? I have tried doing my research, but all other posts seem to discuss the stock car to the Clio sports and stock vs stock the clio would be faster but what about a tuned NC.

 

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 03:23 PM

hard to say and likely comes down to driver, mods and setup. As with most things you can make either quicker than the other. I know little of the clios but I know the power ceiling is higher/more accessible on an mx5. If you are going to tune and track it might be worth deciding on longer term goals. The NC is a fine car, and likely fits your other road based requirements better but an earlier model likely meets the track criteria better. If I was going for an NC I'd get a folding hardtop version with AC for road comfort, add coilovers, as wider tyres that I can fit under stock arches in something like AR1 or R888 flavor, the rx8 ARB and brakes with a good compound, get a header with pre cat delete/tune and be done (I think this is the 185 package you are referring to)? Issue is this isn't really that cheap but at least it's all bolt on that can either be sold or swapped should you wreck. I can't imagine a mk1/2 picked up and fitted with a basic td04 turbo or m45 supercharger kit would cost anymore. The latter will make 200whp and the former up to 240whp which would be quite a bit quicker than a 185 tuned NC. But FI introduces more heat and likely points of failure, there is something to be said for keeping an engine stock for track work. 


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Posted 04 May 2021 - 03:30 PM

There are some other cars to consider, a T sport celica is actually pretty capable for very little money. Add an MR2 LSD, coilovers and wilwood brake set up, take the spare wheel and jack out and you have a 1100kg car with 190hp that can hold it's own on the track and has a super sweet engine. There is no torque at all and all the power is over 6200rpm though so it's not for everyone. There are many comments about baffled sumps and oil starvation but having spoken to S7venmotorsport who complete with stock sumps and finding some info from japan it appear that these are misconceptions and that the main issue is they flow a lot of oil and can burn it off at sustained high rpm so you need to keep ontop of the level and shouldnt have an issue unless you are competing. The 1zz sump is apparently inferior despite internet claims, lower capacity and messes with the pick up location, the "baffle" is a windage tray which the 2zz already has just on the bottom of the engine.

 

EP3s are more expensive but tried and tested. Likely not really what you are after for the road though, both in terms of image and more "generic hatch" than weekend toy. 

 

Mr2 is another one to consider. The NA second gens come with about 170hp which is plenty and they handle really well on track. The 3rd gens are a little less powerful but lighter and seem to be very capable, just make sure you get a facelift with the revised oiling or it'll be on borrowed time. There are plenty of people tracking/race series of these now so aftermarket support is there. If you want more power there are kits to bolt in the 2zz celica engine and apparently arent hard to get down to 800kg, which with the 190hp celica engine makes for a very quick car. Or there's the v6 swap to take them to 240hp (add a turbo if you want to go nuts, lol).


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UKDM 2001 mk2.5 - Current mods- SMD interior light, SMD number plate lights, Corbeau Sprint (yes it fits!), modified mk2.5 door card, Skidnation seat brackets, Corba 1046 remote central locking unit, Driftworks basics 350mm leather steering wheel, NRG short hub, NRG 2.5 quick release hub, 8" weighted gear knob, factory electric wing mirrors, factory electric aerial, Kage 4" exhaust with additional powerflow silencer, foam fire extinguisher, custom fire extinguisher mounting bracket, painted cam cover, painted oil filer cap, 15" Advan SA3Rs, Nankang NS-2R 180tw, offset plate bracket, RGB footwell lighting, sun strip, painted calipers and carriers, painted headlight inserts, softtop delete, brake fluid reservoir sock, GCR3 roll bar in custom gloss black, Corbeau Ultima Pro 2006SSU 6 point harness, push button bumper quick release pins, twin port oil catch can, engine bay respray, fully POR15 rust proofed chassis, full chassis seam seal, custom permanent hardtop side mounts, Jass permanent hardtop front mounts, M-tuned large rear rotor spacers with corresponding 276mm SVT brake discs, Freakyparts larger front rotor spacers with corresponding 11" Corado G60 front rotors, HEL braided brake lines, Byba Kits GV style front lip, SVT under chassis bracing, painted radiator brackets, 
mazdaspeed seat belt pads, charcoal canister delete, large Mazdaspeed side skirts, adapted NA short shifter, 60mm alloy radiator, 3" brake ducts, upper strut brace with MC brace, 3.9 type 2 torsen, 80A diff bushes, front tow hook, rear tow hook
 
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Posted 04 May 2021 - 04:44 PM

I've owned a 182, several mx5s and currently have an ep3.

I think the NC will give you a good blend of being capable on both road and track. Don't think it will be any faster in a straight line than the 182 even with the tuning kits and it would get mullered by a ep3 in stock form.

That said it will be great fun and more of an event than other cars in the price range.



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Posted 05 May 2021 - 08:10 AM

hard to say and likely comes down to driver, mods and setup. As with most things you can make either quicker than the other. I know little of the clios but I know the power ceiling is higher/more accessible on an mx5. If you are going to tune and track it might be worth deciding on longer term goals. The NC is a fine car, and likely fits your other road based requirements better but an earlier model likely meets the track criteria better. If I was going for an NC I'd get a folding hardtop version with AC for road comfort, add coilovers, as wider tyres that I can fit under stock arches in something like AR1 or R888 flavor, the rx8 ARB and brakes with a good compound, get a header with pre cat delete/tune and be done (I think this is the 185 package you are referring to)? Issue is this isn't really that cheap but at least it's all bolt on that can either be sold or swapped should you wreck. I can't imagine a mk1/2 picked up and fitted with a basic td04 turbo or m45 supercharger kit would cost anymore. The latter will make 200whp and the former up to 240whp which would be quite a bit quicker than a 185 tuned NC. But FI introduces more heat and likely points of failure, there is something to be said for keeping an engine stock for track work. 

 

Thanks for your very informative advice! However I am not really looking at Celicas, EP3, MR2 turbos etc. I've had hot hatches (Clio trophy, GTI's), I've done turbos (MKiv TT Supra) - I am not looking to be a race track enthusiast I am just looking for something that is fun to drive, cheap to run, easy to tweak (just because enjoy a bit of fiddling - hence the bolt on bits that you have described Suspension, ARBs, Headers, Intake, Tune, MAYBE CAMS). Your last comment rings true to my aim - "there is something to be said for keeping an engine stock"


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Posted 05 May 2021 - 08:16 AM

I've owned a 182, several mx5s and currently have an ep3.

I think the NC will give you a good blend of being capable on both road and track. Don't think it will be any faster in a straight line than the 182 even with the tuning kits and it would get mullered by a ep3 in stock form.

That said it will be great fun and more of an event than other cars in the price range.



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Thanks Tony, good to hear your view with experience in both. I wouldn't be too fussed about being any faster in a line than the 182, but I felt that was a brilliant little set up power wise and wouldn't want anything too much slower around the backroads. The clio was also great fun so can only imagine the MX5 is too - being RWD, plus the openness to the road, it will always make you feel like your going faster than you are.

 

Have you driven a NC with the typical bolt ons to get 185-200?


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Posted 05 May 2021 - 09:41 AM

 I am just looking for something that is fun to drive, cheap to run, easy to tweak (just because enjoy a bit of fiddling - hence the bolt on bits that you have described Suspension, ARBs, Headers, Intake, Tune, MAYBE CAMS).

 

Mk1/2.5 Mx5 :whistle:


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Posted 05 May 2021 - 09:52 AM

I am just looking for something that is fun to drive, cheap to run, easy to tweak (just because enjoy a bit of fiddling - hence the bolt on bits that you have described Suspension, ARBs, Headers, Intake, Tune, MAYBE CAMS).

Mk1/2.5 Mx5 :whistle:

Ha ha I know, would love a mk1 it’s just that most are rust buckets and a decent one is just as expensive as an NC...
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Posted 05 May 2021 - 10:03 AM

nc's are starting to rot here in the UK....

if the engine hasn't already detonated ayway :popcorn:

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Posted 08 May 2021 - 05:52 PM

I’ve had a 986 for 11 years and it’s the most sensible daft car I’ve ever owned. Never had a huge bill either.

 

I’ve had a 182 and they are simply amazing. But just an old Clio tbh.

 

ive got a 1.8 na and it’s a glorious classic car like little skate board. 
 

im actually about to sell my booster and keep the na because it makes me smile.


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