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#1 jdmtomd

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Posted 09 March 2021 - 06:11 AM

Morning all,  

Ordered my standalon ecu last night in preperation for turbo fun times later in the year. 

Going to be running it on the car whilst it is N/A though for a few months. 

I currently have the 14 degree timing mod on the car. Before fitting the ECU should I dial this back to stock? 

Thanks in advance !


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Posted 09 March 2021 - 08:13 AM

Not necessarily, you will have to reset the timing during the initial setup sequence with the new ECU.
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Posted 09 March 2021 - 08:39 AM

Sorry you have confused me a bit there, so when it comes to fitting ecu, I should set it back to 10btdc then?
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Posted 09 March 2021 - 09:27 AM

Morning all,  

Ordered my standalon ecu last night in preperation for turbo fun times later in the year. 

Going to be running it on the car whilst it is N/A though for a few months. 

I currently have the 14 degree timing mod on the car. Before fitting the ECU should I dial this back to stock? 

Thanks in advance !

 

leave it as is :thumb-up: 

the cas will supply the timing reference (wherever it is set.) and the standalone ecu will use the reference to understand the engines position in the firng cycle.

 

the ecu will then use it's programmed timing values from the timing reference to run the engine...


sorta :whistle: 

also, what ecu have you gone for (out of idle interest :popcorn: )

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Posted 09 March 2021 - 10:52 AM

Morning all,

Ordered my standalon ecu last night in preperation for turbo fun times later in the year.

Going to be running it on the car whilst it is N/A though for a few months.

I currently have the 14 degree timing mod on the car. Before fitting the ECU should I dial this back to stock?

Thanks in advance !


leave it as is :thumb-up:

the cas will supply the timing reference (wherever it is set.) and the standalone ecu will use the reference to understand the engines position in the firng cycle.

the ecu will then use it's programmed timing values from the timing reference to run the engine...


sorta :whistle:

also, what ecu have you gone for (out of idle interest :popcorn: )

Rich.

Thanking you!

I have gone speeduino. Cos I'm a poor ass peasant 🤣
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Posted 09 March 2021 - 11:02 AM

I have gone speeduino. Cos I'm a poor ass peasant


nothing wrong with Speeduino, seems to work & not seen any complaints or criticisms about them B) 

seem to have good options / outputs & background code is simple enough....

what ecu have you bought?

 



I'm seriously interested in Speeduino but my car is needing other things before an ecu so can see peoples experiences :popcorn:

 

Rich.


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50 Shades of Silver. '91 NA6CE, Not a show car :driving: 
Ohlins dampers, goin drysump, EPS, 4.778:1 & more ideas than time :yes:
Bodger :ph34r:

https://mighty5s.com...silver-na-eunos


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Posted 09 March 2021 - 11:24 AM

I just bought a Speedunio as well, tbh I can't really see why it's not a great choice for a street car that doesn't need flat shift etc. Zed, I'll be posting about it on my build thread as I progress so there'll be info there at some point.


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mazdaspeed seat belt pads, charcoal canister delete, large Mazdaspeed side skirts, adapted NA short shifter, 60mm alloy radiator, 3" brake ducts, upper strut brace with MC brace, 3.9 type 2 torsen, 80A diff bushes, front tow hook, rear tow hook
 
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Posted 09 March 2021 - 11:52 AM

Zed, I'll be posting about it on my build thread as I progress so there'll be info there at some point.

 

been watching & waiting...


hurryup :blob: 

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https://mighty5s.com...silver-na-eunos


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Posted 09 March 2021 - 12:26 PM

 

Zed, I'll be posting about it on my build thread as I progress so there'll be info there at some point.

 

been watching & waiting...


hurryup :blob: 

Rich.

 

 

Yeh money is a little tight atm. Need the M45 kit to sell, and then to make and sell the second with the teflon charger and can start the M62 build. Good news is I have a lot of holiday to use once the weather picks up lol.


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UKDM 1998 1.8 Mk2 Sport - Current mods-  Custom 6 point chassis mounted front splitter and sideskirt extensions, battery cut off switch, OEM 'small skirts' and lip, HEL braided brake lines, OEM front upper strut brace with MC brace and mazdaspeed sticker, custom made 2" high flow catback exhaust, Japspeed 4-1 exhaust manifold, Lorber 15" alloys in fiat 750 maroon volcano, uniroyal rainsport2s, Ebay special JDMyo! gear knob, tinted indicators, colour coded reflectors, black headlight inserts, LED sidelights, SMD number plate bulbs, dimpled and grooved mtec brake discs, mintex brake pads, de-tango'd headlights, amber bulbs, RGB footwell lights, SMD interior light, Deltastyling spoiler, foamectomy seats, mazdaspeed seat belt pads, ring ultimax headlight bulbs, IL Motorsport style bar in custom paint, ford fan washer jets, Skidnation coolant reroute with Kia thermostat housing, Gates 22436 radiator hose with hose bracket, 82/85 degree twin valve thermostat, D1 spec engine bay dress bolts, stainless steel bolts throughout engine bay, EGR blanking kit, painted brake calipers, painted tow hooks front and rear, wrinkle painted cam cover, de-greened dials with white SMDs, red needles, painted cigarette lighter, painted oil filler cap, custom made cup holder, painted radiator retainers, polished slam panel, painted alternator, painted upper manifold, painted throttle body, painted header heat shield, painted relay bracket, painted loom brackets, painted diagnostics box bracket, painted wash fluid brackets, painted ABS brackets, painted airbox brackets, painted horns and brackets, painted throttle cable brackets, painted charcoal canister brackets and hard piping, painted wiper rods, painted engine hooks, painted clutch line bracket, Jass offset license plate bracket, offset square plate, 1lt foam fire extinguisher on custom bracket and custom Velcro retaining strap, POR15 rust proofed to within an inch of it's life, cavity waxed and fully seam sealed
 
UKDM 2001 mk2.5 - Current mods- SMD interior light, SMD number plate lights, Corbeau Sprint (yes it fits!), modified mk2.5 door card, Skidnation seat brackets, Corba 1046 remote central locking unit, Driftworks basics 350mm leather steering wheel, NRG short hub, NRG 2.5 quick release hub, 8" weighted gear knob, factory electric wing mirrors, factory electric aerial, Kage 4" exhaust with additional powerflow silencer, foam fire extinguisher, custom fire extinguisher mounting bracket, painted cam cover, painted oil filer cap, 15" Advan SA3Rs, Nankang NS-2R 180tw, offset plate bracket, RGB footwell lighting, sun strip, painted calipers and carriers, painted headlight inserts, softtop delete, brake fluid reservoir sock, GCR3 roll bar in custom gloss black, Corbeau Ultima Pro 2006SSU 6 point harness, push button bumper quick release pins, twin port oil catch can, engine bay respray, fully POR15 rust proofed chassis, full chassis seam seal, custom permanent hardtop side mounts, Jass permanent hardtop front mounts, M-tuned large rear rotor spacers with corresponding 276mm SVT brake discs, Freakyparts larger front rotor spacers with corresponding 11" Corado G60 front rotors, HEL braided brake lines, Byba Kits GV style front lip, SVT under chassis bracing, painted radiator brackets, 
mazdaspeed seat belt pads, charcoal canister delete, large Mazdaspeed side skirts, adapted NA short shifter, 60mm alloy radiator, 3" brake ducts, upper strut brace with MC brace, 3.9 type 2 torsen, 80A diff bushes, front tow hook, rear tow hook
 
2004 Celica T Sport - Current mods- Meister Zeta Pro coilovers, Forged Wilwood dynalite front calipers, Yellow stuff brake pads up front, Drimpled and slotted discs, Braided brake lines, TRD stubby aerial, Short shift kit, 17" alloys powdercoated in metallic granite, TRD centre caps, Invidia exhaust, Cusco brake master cylinder brace, SMD side light bulbs, butterfly valve delete, Aux to CD converter, 8" gear knob, sun strip, interior SMD bulb, remote damper adjusters, solid shifter bushes

 
Sold- UKDM 1992 1.6 Mk1 SE - Current mods- Yokohama A048 semi slicks, 15" Lorber 7JJ deep dish alloys, Tein street springs on OEM dampers, IL Motorsport catback exhaust, IL Motorsport decat, K&N greenstuff filter, OMP 330mm racing wheel, TR Lane half cage, TR Lane harness bar, Elise bucket seats, Sparco 4 point harness, Ebay special JDMyo! gear knob, GV lip, Vindii ducktail
 
 


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Posted 09 March 2021 - 12:39 PM

I have gone speeduino. Cos I'm a poor ass peasant


nothing wrong with Speeduino, seems to work & not seen any complaints or criticisms about them B)

seem to have good options / outputs & background code is simple enough....

what ecu have you bought?



I'm seriously interested in Speeduino but my car is needing other things before an ecu so can see peoples experiences :popcorn:

Rich.

I got the mx5 pack from diyefi. Congress with all the major bits needed so was very handy.

Hopefully will have it this week so will post experience with it 😁
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Posted 09 March 2021 - 01:25 PM

 

 

I have gone speeduino. Cos I'm a poor ass peasant


nothing wrong with Speeduino, seems to work & not seen any complaints or criticisms about them B)

seem to have good options / outputs & background code is simple enough....

what ecu have you bought?



I'm seriously interested in Speeduino but my car is needing other things before an ecu so can see peoples experiences :popcorn:

Rich.

I got the mx5 pack from diyefi. Congress with all the major bits needed so was very handy.

Hopefully will have it this week so will post experience with it

 

:thumb-up: 

keep up with updates & experiences B) 

Rich.


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50 Shades of Silver. '91 NA6CE, Not a show car :driving: 
Ohlins dampers, goin drysump, EPS, 4.778:1 & more ideas than time :yes:
Bodger :ph34r:

https://mighty5s.com...silver-na-eunos


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Posted 09 March 2021 - 02:48 PM

You will have to calibrate the ignition timing to sync with the ECU so that all the ignition timing maps read correctly, if you don’t and for example just plug it in with your base timing at set 14 degrees your ignition map may show 10 degrees but in fact be more advanced.
It is one of the basic settings in megasquirt etc, and I would assume likewise in Speeduino, I think Speeduino uses Tunerstudio as well??
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Posted 09 March 2021 - 02:59 PM

I'm also gonna be buying from DIY EFI I'm going with the DIY EFI Core-4 Unit as yourselves I'm on a budget an seems like a good option as its a road car which is my 2nd car an is rarely used so don't need to splash out on a expensive ECU

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 09:32 PM

You will have to calibrate the ignition timing to sync with the ECU so that all the ignition timing maps read correctly, if you don’t and for example just plug it in with your base timing at set 14 degrees your ignition map may show 10 degrees but in fact be more advanced.
It is one of the basic settings in megasquirt etc, and I would assume likewise in Speeduino, I think Speeduino uses Tunerstudio as well??


Yep it also uses tunerstudio , I'll make sure that I focus and remember that when I do the set up 🤣
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Posted 10 March 2021 - 10:24 PM

I've no experience with speeduino, but in ME software there is a toggle to fix your engine to 10 degree firing.

Switch that on, use a timing light and either adjust the CAS until the timing mark meets 10 degrees or use the trigger offset and adjust it in software until the mark meets 10 degrees.

Quick job, I marked my CAS when I changed the CAS O-ring and matched the CAS up as best as possible, was still 4 degrees out.

Much easier if the speeduino allows you to adjust it in software, which given that it uses tuner studio I'd say there is.
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Posted 11 March 2021 - 07:29 AM

Cheers for the info lads, 

Looks like I will be all good to go once it arrives. 

I have now started looking at things like coil on plug :/


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Posted 14 March 2021 - 07:26 PM

Yeh money is a little tight atm. Need the M45 kit to sell, and then to make and sell the second with the teflon charger and can start the M62 build. Good news is I have a lot of holiday to use once the weather picks up lol.

What exactly are you selling & how much you wanting?


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