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#1 3shirts

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:26 PM

Hi,

I have a silver NB(FL) that I really love and runs like a dream. Engine is a peach and only on 60k, had a GC Fabrications roll bar fitted (by GC Fabrications himself) and coilovers etc plus lots of little personal touches.

Trouble is the old rear arch rot has set in. Just took it SJB Bodyworks in Bedfordshire who was highly recommended by our mechanic and he thinks both sides are going to need a full cut out and replace job (which I agree with) at a cost of £1200  :blink:

 

I have two questions really:

1) Does that sound right for the work. It would be cutting out all the rust, brand new wings, and painted and blended.

2) Do you think it's worth the cost or should we look around for a rust-free or already-repaired alternative?

 

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:51 PM

Seems a totally reasonable price and you end up owning a mk2 with no impending rear rust issues for the cost of owning one which will
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 04:30 PM

worth it depends on you really

 

what would you have to pay to get something similar to yours? £1500-£2k? and in 12 months time you still run the risk of finding rust


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:32 PM

I said it wasn't worth it and started to turn it into a kit car. £12k deep now.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 02:17 PM

Find somewhere cheaper, I've just had one side done for about £300. They all rust eventually, so it's just another part of the cost of ownership of these cars.
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 02:19 PM

Thanks for the advice guys. Booked in for mid-Feb but going to get it on a ramp beforehand to make absolutely sure it's not rotten elsewhere. It's also being MOTd on Monday so I've asked the mechanic (a friend of the family) to give it a good look over at the same time.

 

Decided that the car is too good to get rid of. We plan to keep it for a long time and since we'd otherwise be replacing it with one that might need the same work doing anyway, it's better to just get it sorted.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 03:09 PM

Just make sure you get it properly treated if you blow a grand on it.
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 04:28 PM

Will do. We've found a local place with a lift we can rent for cheap and we now store her in a garage so the plan is to get it all sorted then do a proper underseal job and re-do that every 6 months or so.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:19 PM

Check the front chassis rails...where the anti roll bar attaches...

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:26 AM

Took her up to the bodyshop on Saturday ready for him to start work this week. Getting arches rolled at the same time so we can prep the new wheels and get them on once we get her back.

Also need to book a ramp and underseal the shit out of it! Is Waxoyl still considered the best thing for the job?


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:40 AM

I too have a Rusty mk2.5 and im in the same boat. just found out it requires rust repairs on the front chassis rails and fear the worse...

havent got a quote yet and plan to get it up on a ramp to inspect everywhere to get a full list of whats required. 

Dont have a clue how much this may cost...


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:13 AM

I too have a Rusty mk2.5 and im in the same boat. just found out it requires rust repairs on the front chassis rails and fear the worse...

havent got a quote yet and plan to get it up on a ramp to inspect everywhere to get a full list of whats required. 

Dont have a clue how much this may cost...

 

Not as much as you'd think, £500 for both sides from a reputable place. It should be a permanent repair too (unlike the sills), once converted to single layer like the mk1s it won't rust out again.


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 09:20 AM

Is Waxoyl still considered the best thing for the job?

 No. Old hat these days really.

Look at Bilt Hamber and/or Dinitrol products. 

POR15 is an utter pig to "manage" as you work it, but it's terrific stuff.

Waxoil dehydrates over time, cracks, and lets in moisture. It need retreatment to keep it working. Good for lawnmowers though.


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:56 AM

For POR15, you just need to cover yourself well and ensure the chassis is properly prepared (as with all treatments). It should then just brush on easily. The only advise I have really is to make sure the car is already in the air so you can access everything you need to and not to apply it on a very hot day. It will start to set in the tin otherwise and become a little thick and sticky if you are having to stop for periods of time.


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 10:32 PM

Finally picked her up today and he's done an incredible job. I forgot to get photos so will update tomorrow but the arches and sills look perfect now. Spot-on colour match and the car looks like new round the arches. Apparently the offside one (which was worse) fell into his lap once he started so it was pretty rotten. Not only that but he rolled the arches nicely ready for the new wheels and even fixed a dent in the door which we never even mentioned! All done for the agreed £1200 plus he's waxoyled all the arches which will protect them until the weather improves enough for me to get underneath and do a proper job on the whole thing.

 

Not cheap but absolutely first class work.

 

It's SJB Bodyshop in Wilden, Bedfordshire. Steve is a great guy and I'm very impressed.


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 10:36 PM

sounds like money well spent.

photos will be good
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 08:28 AM

Finally got out and got some pictures. Not much to see, which is the point really  :thumb-up2:
 
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 01:22 PM

It’s a great feeling having nice shiny new arches isn’t it? I had mine done last year for £1250 but that included a new front wing as well, looks amazing and makes me happy whenever I see the car.
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Posted 14 October 2018 - 04:25 PM

My recent mk1 purchase has the rear sill and a bit of arch rust too. But im going to start practicing to weld over the next few weeks and then tackle it myself over a few spare weekends. Then may take it to a body shop to paint.

Any beginners on here tried to weld before? If so were the results acceptable?

By the way, love the roll bar. Exact one i want (apart from the colour)
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Posted 15 October 2018 - 08:37 AM

My recent mk1 purchase has the rear sill and a bit of arch rust too. But im going to start practicing to weld over the next few weeks and then tackle it myself over a few spare weekends. Then may take it to a body shop to paint.

Any beginners on here tried to weld before? If so were the results acceptable?

By the way, love the roll bar. Exact one i want (apart from the colour)

 

Just be prepared for the total bill from the body shop to be more than if you let them do the welding as well. Most of the cost is in the prep phase and unexperienced welder + 0.8mm MX5 sheet metal = large possibility of distortion and warping.

 

Also: wax-oil POR15 etc on the underside of the car does very little except add weight. They rust from the inside and its the insides that you need to keep coated liberally.


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