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#1 bettabuilda

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 01:54 PM


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:12 PM

"Claimed range of 372 miles."

 Now, being VW :rant: ..read 80 miles if you leave everything else off. :mellow:

Maybe make a decent My Little multiple Princesses on Board school hack, or a short distance city/airport cab though.


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:15 PM

:) that thought did cross my mind and it is only a "concept" at this stage. Not sure about 180* drivers seat turn when on autopilot either? If I was going into an accident, I might want to see what was happening? Or then again, maybe not :)

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:24 PM

TBH, after watching MumsNet morons dropping off the rabid screeching little fruits of loins for 41 years at SWMBO's school, it won't matter what direction they are facing. ;)


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:33 PM

That is a big question that's not being asked let alone answered. If your car is in auto pilot mode no one is in control? Having passed a Tesla on the m1 in heavy traffic where the guy was sitting sideways head resting on side window, tapping away at his iPad.
If the steering wheel retracts you wouldn't be able to do much anyway.
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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:57 PM

If the steering wheel retracts you're basically not really responsible for what the car does, and it could be argued VW will be responsible.

 

Will make insurance claims interesting.


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:58 PM

I think that sight would have un-nerved me a bit Miles..seriously.

Anything..correct me if wrong...can be hacked or interfered with.

If I recall, there were such issues in F1 a few years back.

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 03:06 PM

If the steering wheel retracts you're basically not really responsible for what the car does, and it could be argued VW will be responsible.

Will make insurance claims interesting.

Would you not be responsible by virtue of getting in the thing and taking it on the road?
Are you allowed to used these thinks whilst drunk, blind or otherwise legally impaired?
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Posted 09 January 2017 - 05:09 PM

 

If the steering wheel retracts you're basically not really responsible for what the car does, and it could be argued VW will be responsible.

Will make insurance claims interesting.

Would you not be responsible by virtue of getting in the thing and taking it on the road?
Are you allowed to used these thinks whilst drunk, blind or otherwise legally impaired?

 

 

Very good questions really.

Currently any passenger in a car isn't usually responsible for what the vehicle does and can be as drunk as they wish.

 

If the car is doing all of the driving AND prevents anyone from accessing the controls then would that not make everyone in the vehicle a passenger, even someone sat in the drivers seat??

If you have not control of the vehicle on the road are you driving it?


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 05:25 PM

Surely someone, in part ato least, needs to be in some sort of control of the vehicle?

Locking/unlocking, on/off and setting destination?
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Posted 09 January 2017 - 08:14 PM

Can't you be done for "driving without due care or attention"?

 

Clearly not having your hands on the wheel and a foot on the brake = no direct control and an accident waiting to happen who's to blame? For me its the technology for technology sake, if its going to be the norm then we all might as well change the motorways into train lines but even trains or for that matter aircraft need drivers/pilots for saftey it would be a very brave or stupid company to dispense with human forethought/experience.

 

As said there are going to be some very interesting and expensive court cases esp once there have been a few multiple pile ups and fatalities.

 

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:36 AM

A question asked over a pint this weekend.

You book a driverless taxi, pay for it and it turns up. You get in, it sets off and somewhere on the journey it runs someone over. As the only person in that vehicle, would you be legally in charge of it?

Also, working in the haulage industry, a driverless truck would have great diffculty dealing with the jobsworth in the security booth.
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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:07 PM

Can't you automate the jobsworth?


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:40 PM

Different types of autonomy get different classifications: https://en.wikipedia...#Classification

 

Lots of cars now do Level 1 stuff like parking assist or adaptive cruise control and something like a Tesla would be classed as Level 2.  I'm very cautious about tech which ends up leaving the human responsible for whatever happens while allowing them to direct their attention elsewhere.  Basically I'm not interested in a self-driving car until they reach Level 5 and I can legally get into it drunk and say 'take me home'.  That's when it gets useful.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:49 PM

I'd absolutely love a Level 5 car, can't wait for them to get it figured out.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:58 PM

I'd absolutely love a Level 5 car, can't wait for them to get it figured out.

 

It's basically a personal taxi.  Except you don't have to pretend to be interested in football.

 

To improve the utilisation people have suggested owners might get driven to work, then the car drives itself home (so no parking charges) and their partner has the use of it during the working day.

 

Back in the real world, that's all very nice for a small subset of people where only one partner works and the other is willing to be curfewed while the first commutes, but realistically you can run a small second car for a relative pittance and avoid the logistical hassle.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:46 PM

Not going to be much of a future or fun for classic car ownership as you won't be able to perhaps fuel them and be hemmed in by technolgy.

 

On the otherhand people might hanker fo a time when they have to actually do something and have some fun in the process!


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 01:55 PM

TBH, after watching MumsNet morons dropping off the rabid screeching little fruits of loins for 41 years at SWMBO's school, it won't matter what direction they are facing. ;)


That's what I was thinking, it's aimed at being a happy dafty mumbus.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:43 PM



Also, working in the haulage industry, a driverless truck would have great diffculty dealing with the jobsworth in the security booth.


And who's going to murder prostitutes?
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Posted 14 January 2017 - 01:27 PM

 

Also, working in the haulage industry, a driverless truck would have great diffculty dealing with the jobsworth in the security booth.


And who's going to murder prostitutes?

 

 

Will we see a reduction in the number of bottles of "Lucozade" on the roadside verges?

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